the outcome prompted an appearance in the white house rose garden by an outwardly angry president obama surrounded by newtown family members and gabby giffords. >> instead of supporting this compromise, the gun lobby and its allies willfully lied about the bill. they claim they would trade a gun register. that upset some and inn turn upset a lot of senators. this was a pretty shameful day for washington. >> joe manchin blamed its failure on what else? politics? >> if you're looking at it and trying to evaluate it, they're saying, well, maybe the immigration and maybe guns on top of that might be too much for me to go home and explain. >> politico's senior congressional correspondent is covering all thea on the hill. thank you so much for joining us. >> great to be here. >> so, manu, we're looking at immigration. the gang of eight came out today. obviously we have some bipartisan support. but then again we had some bipartisan support behind guns too. what is the conservative response been thus far to the immigration deal that we've seen now? >> it's been sort of mixed. i mean unlike six